The cause of sin is a Roman Catholic MYSTERY
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Pope Benedict XVI told Irish Catholics on Sunday 18/06/12 it is a mystery why priests and other church officials abused children entrusted in their care. Catholic theology teaches that the pope as a bishop is able to interpret what God is saying. However in this case he more... Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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So much better in the various denominations...where any man's opinion creates new doctrine.
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So much better in the various denominations...where any man's opinion creates new doctrine.
You have the papacy,
who suffer from infallibility,
and have terrible hallucination,
which the pew-warmers have to believe.
Mary's conception is one of those hallucinations
in which the papacy dreamt
to be there when Mary's parents were intimate.
In another hallucination some pope saw Mary,
wait for it,
being assumed into heaven.
Mushrooms coming out of the ceiling
and papal infallibility are other hallucinations
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
So much better in the various denominations...where any man's opinion creates new doctrine.
You have the papacy,
who suffer from infallibility,
and have terrible hallucination,
which the pew-warmers have to believe.
Mary's conception is one of those hallucinations
in which the papacy dreamt
to be there when Mary's parents were intimate.
In another hallucination some pope saw Mary,
wait for it,
being assumed into heaven.
Mushrooms coming out of the ceiling
and papal infallibility are other hallucinations
Their is no "suffering" from infalliblity. Denominations without the infallibility of the Holy Spirit are the ones who suffer today with heresy, apostasy and schism (approving ABC, ordaining women, failing to call abortion a mortal sin, failing to define sin, revisioning Sacred Scripture concerning homosexual acts, blessing homosexual unions, ordaining noncelibate homosexuals).
The Holy Spirit's infallible guidance throughout salvation history began in the Old Testament, He works through the New Testament, is active in Christ's Church and He will remain doing so until the end of days.
Jesus tells Peter that He is creating His Church upon him, and that He is giving Peter the keys to His Kingdom and that the "gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."
The "office of the keys" comes from Old Testament theology and it was actual human practice as well. One servant was given the master's keys to his household, while he was away.
His Church prevails against Evil for all eternity even though led by sin filled men. His Church does this through the infallible guidance of the Holy Spirit. He guides His Church through the papal office (office of the keys) in decisions concerning faith and morals.
What does His Church teach, through the office of the papacy, guided by the Holy Spirit about:
chastity
masturbation
sex outside of marriage
marriage between one man and one woman
divorce
homosexuality
artifical birth control
abortion
embryonic stem cell use
euthanasia
feeding the hungry
clothing the naked
burying the dead
Baptism
Confirmation in the Holy Spirit
the 7 Sacraments
etc.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/28/2012 07:09:18
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Elijah was taken bodily into Heaven while still alive. Moses was taken up bodily after he died. Both were shown in bodily form to Peter and a few others in Matthew 17 at His own Transfiguration.
Mary's body disappeared. We know where all the other bodies are. Even Mary Magdalene. Mary's body was reported to be missing from her resting place very early on. In an age when relics were priceless, and Mary's would have been one of the most important relics of all, her body is not on earth.
Now if you have some evidence that someone stole Mary's body in the first century, please provide it.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Elijah was taken bodily into Heaven while still alive. Moses was taken up bodily after he died. Both were shown in bodily form to Peter and a few others in Matthew 17 at His own Transfiguration.
Mary's body disappeared. We know where all the other bodies are. Even Mary Magdalene. Mary's body was reported to be missing from her resting place very early on. In an age when relics were priceless, and Mary's would have been one of the most important relics of all, her body is not on earth.
Now if you have some evidence that someone stole Mary's body in the first century, please provide it.
So because you cannot locate the body of Mary,
you assume she is in heaven.
Great logic and it conveniently fits with your theology
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Elijah was taken bodily into Heaven while still alive. Moses was taken up bodily after he died. Both were shown in bodily form to Peter and a few others in Matthew 17 at His own Transfiguration.
Mary's body disappeared. We know where all the other bodies are. Even Mary Magdalene. Mary's body was reported to be missing from her resting place very early on. In an age when relics were priceless, and Mary's would have been one of the most important relics of all, her body is not on earth.
Now if you have some evidence that someone stole Mary's body in the first century, please provide it.
So because you cannot locate the body of Mary,
you assume she is in heaven.
Great logic and it conveniently fits with your theology
They couldn't locate her body when it happened. Yes it is good logic, because of the importance of relics. Her relics do not exist, yet the relics of even some of her contemporaries do exist.
It is moreso an inconvenience for your theology, because we have historical writings that attest to this from well over a thousand years before the seed forms of your particular protest were planted.
It is also logical to think that if Enoch and Elijah could be taken up, that the Mother of God Incarnate could be as well. No one on this earth was more intimately connected to Jesus and was given the greatest responsibility of all time. Do you really believe that the miraculous OT events actually happened or do you reason them away as mere fables? I did get this sense when I was an "evangelical".
Unfortunately, the vast majority of Protestants treat Mary as a mere earthen vessel and casual observer of Jesus, and almost never refer to her as blessed (among women) as the bible states all generations will call her.
You can also see Revelation 11:19, 12:1. The Ark of God appearing in Heaven, the Woman clothed in the sun, the moon at her feet etc....
The Gospel of Luke makes it clear that Mary in the New Ark of the Covenant. Also the woman and her seed (Jesus) of Genesis 3:15 with parallels in Rev. 12 and the fact that Jesus only addressed His mother "woman".
We understand that Revelation has layers of meaning, but on the literal level, this woman can only be understood as Mary.
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Originally posted by Conqueror
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
So much better in the various denominations...where any man's opinion creates new doctrine.
You have the papacy,
who suffer from infallibility,
and have terrible hallucination,
which the pew-warmers have to believe.
Mary's conception is one of those hallucinations
in which the papacy dreamt
to be there when Mary's parents were intimate.
In another hallucination some pope saw Mary,
wait for it,
being assumed into heaven.
Mushrooms coming out of the ceiling
and papal infallibility are other hallucinations
Conqueror do you know the difference between impeccability & infallibility?
impeccability & infallibility are not the same.
It was the Apostles themselves who said Mary was assumed into heaven by the way.
Conqueror why is it that Protestants think that they can say whatever they want about the Catholic Church without the 8th commandment applying to them whenever they do it?
Conqueror do you think the 8th commandment does not apply to you when you say whatever you want about the Catholic Church?
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Where did the apostles say that Mary was assumed into heaven?
Are you hallucinating as well?
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Where does it say that everything has to be recorded in the Bible?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I would also point out two of the Gospels were written by men who were not Apostles.
History records a fair bit. But many modern Christians don't really want to know anything that contradicts their nouveau doctrines, so they just say that history is not inspired and ignore it.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Where did the apostles say that Mary was assumed into heaven?
Are you hallucinating as well?quote:
Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Where does it say that everything has to be recorded in the Bible?
If it isn't revealed by God in the scriptures,
then Mormons and Catholics make up their own theology.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Answer the question. I have no need of your delusions.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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