MARY EVER VIRGIN

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


Sola Scriptura - discredit the Bible in order to add credibility to one's personal philosophy.

A zero-sum religious perspective.

Cut off the nose to spite the face.

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Originally posted by Kamati

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Originally posted by God4me

Stop telling lies you naughty man, What you mean is, You don't believe the truth.

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You said that for someone to properly understand Mary, such a one should read your writings. Now my question: why exactly should one read your writings and not the Bible? When exactly did your writings replace the Bible and the Church as the source of divine truth?

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Originally posted by God4me

If you was to read, And agree with the Bible, You would have to admit that Mary had other children.

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If the Bible says clearly that Mary had other children, why are you directing people to read your writings and not to read the Bible?

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Originally posted by God4me

See, Matt 13: 55--56.

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Here is the text: “Is he not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not his sisters all with us? Where did this man get all this?”

Now, do you believe the entire text of Matthew 13:55-56 or do you only believe part thereof? To be exact: do you also believe that Jesus is the carpenter’s son? Do you even know that that statement was made by people who did not want to believe Jesus? If you believe what they say about Jesus, then you must also believe that Jesus was the carpenter’s son.

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Originally posted by God4me

Mk 6: 3.

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Here is the text: “Is he not the carpenter,the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

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Originally posted by God4me

Jn 7: 3.

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Here is the text: “So his brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples also may see the works you are doing.”

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Originally posted by God4me

Acts 1: 13--14.

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Here is the text: “When they entered the city they went to the upper room where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.”

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Originally posted by God4me

1 Cor 9: 5

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Here is the text: “Do we not have the right to take along a Christian wife, as do the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?”

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Originally posted by God4me

please note, How, Jn 7:3. Acts 1: 13--14. And 1 Cor 9: 5 Seperates Jesus brothers from the disciples.

His natural flesh brothers from his spiritual disciple brothers.

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Yes, the Bible separates the disciples from Jesus’ brothers, but where does it say they are Virgin Mary’s children?
God4me, you are doing yourself a disservice: first you refuse to listen to the Church; then you usurp the authority of interpreting scriptures on your own ... and the result is the catastrophe called God4me.
I wonder whether you will be able to answer the following question: the Bible says Abraham was the brother of Lot (Genesis 14:14). Do you think they were from the same womb?

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Originally posted by God4me

Now tell me you believe the Bible, Because if you do, You'll have to admit Mary had other children.

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Yes, I believe the Bible and, no, Mary did not have other children.
For Virgin Mary to have other children, the following must be true:
1. Joseph had a son named Joseph;
2. Virgin Mary had a sister named Mary;
3. Virgin Mary and her sister (Mary) each had children named James and Joseph.
And you can not yet see how wrong you actually are? If “sister” always means fraternal sister, then how do you explain the fact that Mary had a sister who was also named Mary?
And if “brother” always means fraternal brother, then how do you explain the fact that Abraham is said to be Lot’s brother when we all know that Lot was the son of Haran, Abraham’s brother (Genesis 11:26–28)?

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Originally posted by God4me

You either believe the Bible or the pope's porkies, WHICH ONE IS IT??.

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I believe the Bible and the Pope. "Obey your leaders and submit to them" (Hebrews 13:17). Now, whom do you submit to? If you submit to none, then you are disregarding the Bible once again. If you do submit to someone, then you are being a hypocrite when you complain when other submit just like you do.

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Originally posted by Kamati

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Originally posted by God4me

Hey dopey, Was Jesus offering His disciples bread or His body?

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JESUS: “Take and eat; this is my body.”
GOD4ME: “Top telling lies, you dope, how can the bread be your body?”

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Originally posted by God4me

I told you, catholics are inspired by the devil.

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Yes, that is what you said and we all know who you are: an anti-Catholic bigot who would stop at nothing in accusing Christ’s Church.

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Originally posted by God4me

See Jn 8: 14--18. 2 Cor 13: 1.
You need at least two witnesses to build a doctine.

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Two witnesses ... not two Bible texts? Oh, wonderful!

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Originally posted by God4me

The reason catholics come against it is, Because they don't have two scriptures for their doctrines.

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Make up your mind: is it two witnesses or two scriptures?

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Originally posted by God4me

Take Jn 19: 26--27. Jn 20: 21--23. And Matt 16: 18. All those scripture are what catholics use for their doctrines, Yet nowhere eles in the Bible does it teach them.

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In other words God4me is saying that Bible texts that are not repeated elsewhere should be ignored; they are useless; not inspired. If God4me is right when he says that some parts of the Bible are not inspired, then Paul was wrong when he says “all scriptures are inspired”.
I knew that it would eventually come to this. The whole exercise is to discredit the Bible, piece by piece.

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Originally posted by God4me

The other gospels say they were afar of, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHTY WOMAN.
I'm not calling John a liar, I'm saying the translaters got it wrong, It problebly was a catholic translater as they always get it wrong.

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Originally posted by God4me

catholics have to add to the Bible, Because theit teachings aren't in the Bible.

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Originally posted by God4me

God warns of the dangers of adding to His word,
Proving, "Sola scriptura".

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Originally posted by God4me

[1]My writings are the Bible's writings as I ony say what the Bible says. I give you the original Greek meaning of the Bible.

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Originally posted by God4me

I have given you Biblical and Greek proof that Mary had other children, I have told you you need to put the right interpretation to the right scriptures, So what do you do???. You quote Abraham, Compleatly twisting the truth about Mary having children.

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Originally posted by God4me

Your problem is, You believe the pope's porkies rather than the Bible.

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Originally posted by Kamati

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Originally posted by God4me

catholics have to add to the Bible, Because theit teachings aren't in the Bible.

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Things that are not in the Bible include your statement that “the Bible is the pillar and ground of truth.”
Deal with your own additions before talking about the supposed additions of the Catholic church.

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Originally posted by God4me

God warns of the dangers of adding to His word,
Proving, "Sola scriptura".

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God does not only warn of the dangers of adding, but also the dangers of taking away from His word. And His word is both written and oral. By saying it is “Scripture Alone”, you have effectively taken away from God’s word.

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Originally posted by God4me

[1]My writings are the Bible's writings as I ony say what the Bible says. I give you the original Greek meaning of the Bible.

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Ah, the Bible and God4me’s writings are one and the same. After a year or two you may claim that your writings are actually superior to the Bible. Now you to give me the original Greek implies that the original Greek Bible is not enough.

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Originally posted by God4me

I have given you Biblical and Greek proof that Mary had other children, I have told you you need to put the right interpretation to the right scriptures, So what do you do???. You quote Abraham, Compleatly twisting the truth about Mary having children.

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No, God4me, Virgin Mary had no other children. That is a Protestant fabrication. The original Protestants did not even believe such falsehoods.

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Originally posted by God4me

Your problem is, You believe the pope's porkies rather than the Bible.

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It is not “rather than the Bible”. It is both Bible and the Church. And I have taken note that you have neglected to address the issue of submitting and deferring to leaders ... do you submit and defer to Church leaders or not? If you don’t you ignore the Bible; if you do then you have no business complaining when I do the same.

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Originally posted by Kamati

1. The Bible mentions four men and at least two women as Jesus’ brothers and sisters. God4me believes that the Holy family had a total of at least 7 children (on the other thread God4me says such big families are meant to make money for the Catholic Church).
The first problem with these supposed children of Mary is that they were not yet there when Jesus was twelve years old.
And if they were born after Jesus turned 12, how come they were grown up and well known when Jesus turned 30?
That presents a serious problem for a thinking person! But the Bible offers the solution: they were not Virgin Mary’s children.

2. The names of Jesus’ brothers are: James, Joseph, Simon and Jude.
Jude, the author of Jude, introduces himself as brother of James -- the same James who is the brother Joseph and their mother is Virgin Mary’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas/Alpheus.
In other words, they were really Jesus’ cousins and are called the brothers of the Lord the same way Abraham is called the brother of Lot.

3. God4me argues that for Jesus to be Virgin Mary’s firstborn there must be other child or children. This is easily refuted by Numbers 3:43 where we see firstborn males who are merely a month old. I do not expect God4me to argue that all those one-month-old males had young siblings – if he is still sober, that is.

4. Do I expect God4me to refute what I said? Of course not. He will most probably limit himself to posting his typical “stop telling lies” slogan.

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Originally posted by God4me

I have shown you what the Bible and the original Greek text says, But I can't make you believe it.
You believe the pope's porkies and the catholic con-men rather then the Bible.

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Originally posted by God4me

I have shown you what the Bible and the original Greek text say, But I can't make you believe it.

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Originally posted by God4me

Just because the Bible doesn't always metion Jesus brothers and sisters, It doesn't mean He didn't have any.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Except that it doesn't work unless one yanks out phrases here and there to force a meaning that does not fit in context.

Exclusively Pentecostal teaches do not have a basis in scriptures so instead of dealing with that, they just attack everyone else's doctrines.

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