EVANGELIST AND JOHN 3 VERSE 16
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quote:Originally posted by evangelistYou need to really ask the Holy spirit to reveal what John 3:16 really means to you!1. Jesus left us teachers who teach in His name; with His authority; guided by the Holy Spirit. Deny that and you deny the Bible!2. Jesus-appointed more...
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Originally posted by evangelist
But I think you mean the one verse I quote which sends a person directly to hell is this verse:
Joh:16:8: And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh:16:9: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
If that one verse sends a person directly to hell, then you are standing at the hell’s gate. I repeat: if not believing Jesus sends a person directly to hell, then you in serious trouble because:
- When Jesus says this is my body you do not believe Him;
- When Jesus says my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink you do not believe Him.
- When Jesus says His church is the final authority you do not believe Him ... those are just a few examples.
If John 16:9 sends a person directly to hell, then there is a very big possibility you are on your way to hell.
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Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
one love
In other words, you sin because you do not know who you are in Christ and your righteousness. You stated publicly that you do still sin ... and according to your new-found argument, that means you do not know who you are in Christ ... right?
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
one love
In other words, you sin because you do not know who you are in Christ and your righteousness. You stated publicly that you do still sin ... and according to your new-found argument, that means you do not know who you are in Christ ... right?
Yes! all of us sin with our soul and body, but born again people cannot sin in their born again spirits!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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And, what do you think happens to your "born again disconnected spirit" at the end of your life?
What on Earth, would Christ (fully human and fully God) want with that disconnected spirit?
According to you, that disconnected spirit isn't even you.
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Amen. If your body is not born again, your body will go to Hell. A born again spirit without a born again body amounts to nothing unless the body is fully conformed to Christ too.
Jesus was not just a spirit, Jesus IS the WORD made FLESH, and as He was in this World and beyond, so are we. FLESH and Spirit.
The Bible NEVER says that only part of us gets born again. It says that the whole person is born again. All or nothing. People like to make "ALL" seem like it is ALL important, until it is used against them, then suddenly when ALL BECOMES NEW, ALL suddenly does not mean ALL anymore.
The Bible never says that the sins of our flesh do not affect our born again spirit. Not once. Not ever. It is not even implied.
Paul pummelled his BODY to keep his BODY under control so that he would not be found unworthy and cast aside on Judgment Day. Paul says this plainly in the Bible. I will not cast aside any verses that are inconvenient to my beliefs, so I do not understand why others are so quick to do so.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Fifth Member
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Location: Namibia
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Originally posted by evangelist
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
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Originally posted by evangelist
Yes! all of us sin with our soul and body, but born again people cannot sin in their born again spirits!
Those two posts are from the same person. He makes several claims.
1. People sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
2. Born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness
3. All of us sin with our soul and body, but born again people cannot sin in their born again spirits!
In short, born again people sin more not only because of their unrenewed mindset but mostly because they have deceived themselves and believe that their sins do not affect their born again spirits.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
And, what do you think happens to your "born again disconnected spirit" at the end of your life?
What on Earth, would Christ (fully human and fully God) want with that disconnected spirit?
According to you, that disconnected spirit isn't even you.
Evangelist believes he has two natures -- a sinful nature (body and soul) and a divine nature that is unable to sin. That is how crazy some belief systems are.
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