Do catholics believe that Jesus went to hell
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In the so-called catholics, "Apostles creed", They say Jesus went to hell.Do they really believe it, Or are they telling porkies AGAIN.Remember, The whole world believes hell is a place for the damned, wicked, sinners and spirituall dead people, A place of torment.And more...
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Where do you find your "TRUE Church history"? Every authentic history source that I have seen shows no record of any Pentecostal church in the first century but does show the Catholic Church as being very present and active throughout the entire first three centuries and beyond.
From the looks of it, wherever you are getting your information it seems a little vague. You don't even know when you think the Catholic Church started or what precipitated it? Zero information, zero evidence to support your claim. It looks like your source might be your own imaginagion.
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Where do you find your "TRUE Church history"? Every authentic history source that I have seen shows no record of any Pentecostal church in the first century but does show the Catholic Church as being very present and active throughout the entire first three centuries and beyond.
From the looks of it, wherever you are getting your information it seems a little vague. You don't even know when you think the Catholic Church started or what precipitated it? Zero information, zero evidence to support your claim. It looks like your source might be your own imaginagion.
Thats because you haven't found any authentic history.
If you search, You see that there as always been Christians, As I have said.
Do you really think that there was no Christians until the catholic church was formed??..WAKE UP.
Plus The Bible say That there will always be a Christian Church.
Deut 7: 9. Gen 17: 5--7.
Matt 28: 20. Jn 14: 16. Eph 2: 7. [Throughtout all ages].
Eph 3: 21. [Throughout all ages]
Alll those scriptures prove that there has always been the TRUE Church.
Which also proves the catholic church [which wasn't formed until at lease 300--600 years later]. Isn't the Church the Jesus built. FACT.
Edited by God4me on 05/13/2012 09:45:24
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Of course there was a true Church and it will endure to the end. That is not in question. That is not what I asked.
Show me. Where are you finding your "True" Church history?
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Bear in mind that if anyone just "searches" they will find "proof" that God doesn't exist, that Jesus was never a real person on earth, that aliens are responsible for bringing humans to earth, that Bigfoot is real, etc.
The Internet is full of stories carefully concocted to deceive with fake histories that say all sorts of things that are not true. I want something that is verifiable, not just someone's opinion.
I can write a history of the Church and say anything I want. I bet I could write fake one so convincing that I would have hundreds and perhaps even thousands of followers quoting me and spreading my version of history by the end of the month. But that would not make it true.
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There you go again..TELLING LIES.
You even think your smarter then your professors and Drs.
It just proves how delueded you are.
roflmao. g4.. just when i think you couldn't be any thicker than you already are.
please show me the professors or drs. who you think are supporting this. i'll show you the many who support my position. lets see who is really deluded.
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Of course there was a true Church and it will endure to the end. That is not in question. That is not what I asked.
Show me. Where are you finding your "True" Church history?
Those scriptures prove that the catholic church isn't the one the Jesus built, Because it started when He built it, And has been going ever since, AS I have shown you from the Bible, OR DO YOU THINK GOD IS TELLING LIES??.
So the Church that Jesus built cannot be the catholic church as history proves it wasn't formed until at least 30--600 years later..FACT.
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and by that reasoning,( even though it's false cause the church wasn't formed in 300 ad it was formed with christ), the pentacostal church cannot be the the church jesus built cause it wasn't built until at least 1900 years later.. FACT.
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And since I have asked a few times for source material for your "True" history and each time you have refused to provide anything but your opinion, I take that as evidence that your "true" history comes from your imagination.
I will stick with actual history. And actual history shows that the Catholic Church started with Jesus Christ.
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and by that reasoning,( even though it's false cause the church wasn't formed in 300 ad it was formed with christ), the pentacostal church cannot be the the church jesus built cause it wasn't built until at least 1900 years later.. FACT.
Read these facts again, And STOP TELLING LIES.
The Bible say That there will always be a Christian Church.
Deut 7: 9. Gen 17: 5--7.
Matt 28: 20. Jn 14: 16. Eph 2: 7. [Throughtout all ages].
Eph 3: 21. [Throughout all ages]
Alll those scriptures prove that there has always been the TRUE Church.
Which also proves the catholic church [which wasn't formed until at lease 300--600 years later]. Isn't the Church the Jesus built. FACT.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
And since I have asked a few times for source material for your "True" history and each time you have refused to provide anything but your opinion, I take that as evidence that your "true" history comes from your imagination.
I will stick with actual history. And actual history shows that the Catholic Church started with Jesus Christ.
I have studied to get your church hisrtory,So you study to get the TRUE Church history, YOU BONE IDLE WOMAN.
How in the world could the catholic church start with Jesus, When it wasn't formed be the devil untill at least 300-600 years later??
WAKE UP.
Edited by God4me on 05/13/2012 09:51:29
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The Catholic Church was formed by Jesus. It was being called the Catholic Church by the end of the first century. This is documented.
The authority of the Bishop of Rome is visible in Church documents from the first century onward. The role of the bishops in the early Church matches the role of Catholic Bishops today. And the teachings of the Catholic Church are recorded in the early Church writings of the first three centuries.
What did happen later was that Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity. But that was not the beginning of the Catholic Church.
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Already read the facts g4. You have no argument. As a matter of fact, if you used your head for something else then sitting on, you would have put the pieces together and know that the church which Christ established and which even you know will be throughout all ages can only be the ancient church which is catholic and not some 20th century sect.
Ha ha.
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How in the world could the catholic church start with Jesus, When it wasn't formed be the devil untill at least 300-600 years later??
WAKE UP.
If I had a dime for every time you posted this...
Then you should have no time proving it, g4. I studied history from the point of view of Catholics, Protestants, and completely unbiased historians who could care less who was right and who was wrong. I engaged in all of this study in an attempt to prove the Catholic Church wrong. And guess what... there is no denying that the early Church was Catholic.
You are the only person on this forum who is afraid to look the truth in the eye, and it is obvious that you are not well-read whatsoever. Stop lying to everyone (including yourself).
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
The Catholic Church was formed by Jesus. It was being called the Catholic Church by the end of the first century. This is documented.
The authority of the Bishop of Rome is visible in Church documents from the first century onward. The role of the bishops in the early Church matches the role of Catholic Bishops today. And the teachings of the Catholic Church are recorded in the early Church writings of the first three centuries.
What did happen later was that Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity. But that was not the beginning of the Catholic Church.
That is a pack of lies AND YOU KNOW IT.
[1]History proves that catholics were here until at least 300 yeas later.
[2]There is no such office as a catholic bishop in the Bible.
[3]TRUE Christianity was already leagalised by God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit On the day of pentecost.
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[3]TRUE Christianity was already leagalised by God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit On the day of pentecost.
Wrong. Many True Christians had to die for legalization... without the Catholics dying for it, your sect wouldn't have been able to start over a millennium later.
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