Who are the Seven churches in Revelations?
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OK If revelations is for the latter days like most people think then who are these churches today and what one is your church? There are seven spirits that go to thee churches and Jesus is telling the story of what he finds in these churches he does not like if anyone can more... baby3
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G4Me,
The way in which you define Sola Scriptura is summarized by this former Evangelical:
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"Protestants grant to individuals the authority to decided...what is true and what isn't, while denying it to the Church.
This makes no sense.
If Protestantism discounts the Church's binding authority because the Church is made of fallible, sinful men, then they have to discount every individual's interpretation, since each person is a fallible sinner, too!"
100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura by Dave Armstrong
http://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Arguments-Against-Sola-Scriptura/dp/1933919590
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
You are the person confused in your personal opinions on Sacred Scripture.
You say that you are Sola Scriptura and yet you admit that your Bible translation has errors and that to understand the Bible it requires your private interpretation.
Unbiblical.
Your interpretation requires (in your private opinion) that you pit Scripture against Scripture and that Truth is only found when a sentence is verified against two other text passages.
Unbiblical.
Bible Alone, in truth, means that you alone are the Sola Interpretor of Scriptura.
Unbiblical.
You believe that you are the personal judge and jury on the interpretation of Scripture.
Unbiblical.
You need to know, that you and all those like you, interpret Scripture away from His Church and you develop man-made doctrine as you admit that the Holy Spirit failed to keep your Pentecostal translators of the Bible free from error.
When I say Sola scriptura, I mean the Original Hebrew/Greek scriptures.
And I don't interpret the Bible, I just believe what it says and let it interpret itself, SO STOP TELLING LIES.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
G4Me,
The way in which you define Sola Scriptura is summarized by this former Evangelical:
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"Protestants grant to individuals the authority to decided...what is true and what isn't, while denying it to the Church.
This makes no sense.
If Protestantism discounts the Church's binding authority because the Church is made of fallible, sinful men, then they have to discount every individual's interpretation, since each person is a fallible sinner, too!"
100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura by Dave Armstrong
http://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Arguments-Against-Sola-Scriptura/dp/1933919590
Dave armstrong obviously doesn't know the Bible, And God said he is a liar. Prov 30: 6.
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You're using Proverbs 30:6?
Back at you G4Me. The theory of Sola Scriptura is extra Biblical.
You're so brainwashed in the various protestantisms that you don't even realize that Sola Scriptura is unbiblical.
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And quit using your "original Hebrew and Greek" argument, man. Nobody buys it. You aren't even moderately fluent in English.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Edited by acumenCry on 06/19/2012 18:30:45
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
You're using Proverbs 30:6?
Back at you G4Me. The theory of Sola Scriptura is extra Biblical.
You're so brainwashed in the various protestantisms that you don't even realize that Sola Scriptura is unbiblical.
There you go again, TELLING LIES, Your soul will never be well as long as you tell lies.
Why do catholics have to tell lies??..OH yes, Because they aren't saved.
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And quit using your "original Hebrew and Greek" argument, man. Nobody buys it. You aren't even moderately fluent in English.
catholics can't believe the Hebrew/Greek because they know it proves then wrong.
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Perhaps it is time to just walk away.
On the plus side, though he is still violating the commandments, he does not seem to be swearing quite so much. I think we may be a good influence on him. 
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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These churches are not modern day churches. They may be archetypes, but not literal churches.
One of the most interesting explanations for the seven churches was from Dr. Scott Hahn who figured that they were actually representative of the different stages throughout the OT, with the charges/descriptions leveled at each church showing the situation that existed during that era - the sins of the people at that time.
I am not sure where I can find that information, but I will see if I can remember - he laid it out so perfectly that it all made sense.
The past is key to understanding the present and the future.
Apocalyptic writing style worked by drawing from the past to make familar what was being discussed in the present and even what was coming.
If the past is the key to understanding the future, then there was no pope to lead these 7 churches astray. Seven independent churches addressed by John independently all who were somewhat different. Thank you for that insight!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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The churches were lead by bishops, priests and deacons who were ordained by His Apostles.
Christ addressed the seven churches in unity concerning their works, (what they had done and what they had failed to do) and in that He extended that message into each generation.
Christ also address a single man and gave him an office of authority:
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And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah!
For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
The churches were lead by bishops, priests and deacons who were ordained by His Apostles.
Christ addressed the seven churches in unity concerning their works, (what they had done and what they had failed to do) and in that He extended that message into each generation.
Christ also address a single man and gave him an office of authority:
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And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah!
For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Stop telling lies, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
Bibical Churches were led by the Pastor and the Deacons.
There is no such office as a priest apart from the fact that every born again Christian is a priest unto God.
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That of course, is what you must believe.
Your denomination has neither the authority to forgive sin or the ability to ordain in the Apostolic tradition.
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If the past is the key to understanding the future, then there was no pope to lead these 7 churches astray. Seven independent churches addressed by John independently all who were somewhat different. Thank you for that insight! quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
The churches were lead by bishops, priests and deacons who were ordained by His Apostles.
Christ addressed the seven churches in unity concerning their works, (what they had done and what they had failed to do) and in that He extended that message into each generation.
Christ also address a single man and gave him an office of authority:
Seven churches, not one!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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