Who are the Seven churches in Revelations?
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OK If revelations is for the latter days like most people think then who are these churches today and what one is your church? There are seven spirits that go to thee churches and Jesus is telling the story of what he finds in these churches he does not like if anyone can more... baby3
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That of course, is what you must believe.
Your denomination has neither the authority to forgive sin or the ability to ordain in the Apostolic tradition.
Jesus dealt with sin on the cross. We don't need charlatans, posing as priests. to pretend to be able to forgive sin.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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All I know right now is that if Mitt Romney gets in we will all be in for a big surprize
as his runnunbg mate is Spanish descent,and he believes in stem cell research.I will not vote for him he also is the third richest family in the world
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Edited by baby3 on 06/27/2012 19:10:14
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Well, Jesus gave His Apostles the authority to forgiven and retain sins, and He did so after His death on the Cross. So clearly, men do have this authority, but not all men.
In James 5, the Presbyters were ministers of forgiveness and in Paul's epistles, he also indicated that he could forgiven in Christ's name.
So, Conqueror, I take it that the presbyters in your church fulfill this important Biblical role while denying this to Catholics? Or do you have a problem with what Jesus laid out?
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Jesus gave his disciples authority to forgive sin,
so clearly you aren't a disciple!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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That of course, is what you must believe.
Your denomination has neither the authority to forgive sin or the ability to ordain in the Apostolic tradition.
Jesus dealt with sin on the cross. We don't need charlatans, posing as priests. to pretend to be able to forgive sin.
"Jesus dealt with sin on the cross".
Are you another hybrid OSAS follower? Your sins - past, present and future - "were" all forgiven 2,000 years ago on the cross?
If so, how do you explain the Resurrected Christ delegating to His Apostolic Church His ability to forgive sin or to "hold it bound"?
"Holding sin bound" that you say He forgave on the cross - once and for all?
How do you go about rectifying your divergent theologies?
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Jesus gave his disciples authority to forgive sin,
so clearly you aren't a disciple!
How do you figure that?
But on the plus side, you acknowledge that this Authority was given to MEN and not just retained on high.
And not just any men - this was given to the Apostles and their successors, and those they ordained, after all in James 5 it mentions Presbyters being able to do this.
So while I do admit that I am not an Apostle or a Presbyter, it changes nothing with respect to what I said.
And do you think hurling insults at me helps your case? Judge not lest ye be judged.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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That of course, is what you must believe.
Your denomination has neither the authority to forgive sin or the ability to ordain in the Apostolic tradition.
Jesus dealt with sin on the cross. We don't need charlatans, posing as priests. to pretend to be able to forgive sin.
"Jesus dealt with sin on the cross".
Are you another hybrid OSAS follower? Your sins - past, present and future - "were" all forgiven 2,000 years ago on the cross?
If so, how do you explain the Resurrected Christ delegating to His Apostolic Church His ability to forgive sin or to "hold it bound"?
"Holding sin bound" that you say He forgave on the cross - once and for all?
How do you go about rectifying your divergent theologies?
Jesus never gave His disciples the authority to forgive or remit sins.
That is just another catholic lie.
What Jesus said was, When a repentant person gets saved, We, [Every Christian] has the authority to tell them, Their sins are remited.
Whch they are.
Compare Jn 20: 23 with Lk 24: 47.
Note, Repentance AND remission??.
Please note, The end of Matt Mk Lk, Jesus is talking to every believer
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Yes he was when he said forgive those who trespass against us and that prayer was for everyone, man, woman, and child not just those in authority and abuse their position in the faith.
But he also said to confess your sins one to another so you will not want to sin an y more knowing someone else can announce your sins to another if they choose to. Some congregations make you confess in front of all the congregation how would that be instead of a priest?
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Edited by baby3 on 06/29/2012 19:38:12
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Yes he was when he said forgive those who trespass against us and that prayer was for everyone, man, woman, and child not just those in authority and abuse their position in the faith.
But he also said to confess your sins one to another so you will not want to sin an y more knowing someone else can announce your sins to another if they choose to. Some congregations make you confess in front of all the congregation how would that be instead of a priest?
Of cause we are to forgive those who sin against us.
But forgiving someone isn't remmiting thier sins.
James says "Confess your faults to one another".
In other words, If one has a falt they call tell someone who can pray with them for their deliverance.
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Jesus said that they could "remit" their sins. Or retain them.
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Jesus said that they could "remit" their sins. Or retain them.
You cannot make a doctrine out of one scripture.
What Jesus meant in Jn 20: 23, Is, When a repentant person receives Jesus as Lord and saviour, We can tell them that Jesus has remited their sins, Compare Jn 21: 23 with Lk 24: 47.
The remission of sins goes with the repenting, Not the Ministers remiting the sins.
Where else in the Bible do you find that Ministers can remit sins??.
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Yes I can. But I don't have to.
The word for "remit" is the same Greek word for "forgive". Check it out for yourself.
There is another word for "pardon", but it is often used in dealngs between human beings apart from Christ.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 06/30/2012 09:30:10
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In parts perhaps. But not all.
The Nation of Israel is a manmade construct to "help" God fulfill prophecy. Some even want to rebuild the Temple there so that the Jewish priests can start offering animal sacrifices again.
Jesus promised that not one stone would remain upon another.
On the other hand, the re-establishment of the nation of Israel does open the door for the reign of the Anti-Christ.
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You cannot make a doctrine out of one scripture.
Another man-made doctrine, LOL.
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Let's have some fun. I want to see at least two, preferably three verses that explicitly support the requirement for two or more scripture verses to make a doctrine.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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