Tucker Carlson and Jordan Peterson debate crisis among boys and men

world | Mar 12, 2018 | By Martin Barillas

Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, as part of a continuing series in March about men and boys, recently interviewed psychologist and author Dr. Jordan Peterson on school violence but also what Carlson has identified as a crisis among males. When Carlson said that statistics show that boys are falling behind girls, he asked “Why do you think that is?” Peterson answered, “That’s partly the consequence of directed policy. So, it’s late to the idea that there’s something wrong with masculinity. And so that the expression of masculinity should be limited in all sorts of arbitrary ways.”

Peterson said, “The fact that male behaviour is often diagnosed as Attention Deficit Disorder is a manifestation of that.” He also pointed to the lack of play time at school and a failure to see how essential cooperation is in competitive sports. When Carlson asked why there are those who would punish masculinity, Peterson answered, “Because it’s easy to mistake masculine competence for the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. Peterson said, “It’s part of an ideological worldview that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men, which is a dreadful way of looking at the world.”

In contrast, Peterson said he understands human history as being marked by cooperation between men and women. To describe it, has said, as “centuries of oppression of women” is “an absolutely reprehensible ideological rewrite of history.” This version of history is offered as “unassailable fact” by academics in universities and teachers in public schools. Seeing it as demoralizing men and boys, Peterson advised parents to instill courage in their sons and teach them to “prevail, even in the darkest of circumstances.”

Peterson gave further advice about educating children. “If you have your children in a school, and [teachers] talk about equity in class--equity, diversity, white privilege, systemic racism, any of that--you take your children out of that class.” Peterson said, “They’re not being educated; they’re being indoctrinated. And there’s absolutely no excuse for it.”

When Carlson said, “You might run out of schools pretty quickly, though, here in this country,” Peterson responded seriously, “The sooner, the better.”

In describing the challenges faced by men and boys, Carlson said that 77 percent of suicides are committed by men and  7 million working-age American men are now unemployed. Moreover, he said that he fears men are becoming “less male.” Carlson claimed, “Sperm counts across the west have plummeted, down almost 60 percent since the early 1970s.” Carlson said,  “Scientists don’t know why. Testosterone levels in men have also fallen precipitously. One study found that the average levels of male testosterone dropped by one percent every year after 1987. This is unrelated to age. The average 40-year-old-man in 2017 would have testosterone levels 30 percent lower than the average 40-year-old man in 1987.” Low testosterone counts, he said, are coupled with weight gain, depression, lethargy, and a decrease in cognition. 



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Spero News writer Martin Barillas is a former US diplomat, who also worked as a democracy advocate and election observer in Latin America. His first novel 'Shaken Earth', is available at Amazon.

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